If the relationship between citizens in a society isn't hierarchical, won't it become adversarial?

[gggg gggg]

Is that what we moderns are now learning?

[Peter Jason]

Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
then the strongest prevail.

[The Old Man]

Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
then the strongest prevail.

No, NOT necessarily the strongest, but rather, as Darwin wrote, the most adaptable.

[Peter Jason]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:22:24 -0800 (PST), The Old Man

Post by The Old Man

Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
then the strongest prevail.

No, NOT necessarily the strongest, but rather, as Darwin wrote, the most adaptable.

Yes that is true. One wonders if lifetime length is some factor in it
all.

[The Horny Goat]

Post by Peter Jason
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 13:22:24 -0800 (PST), The Old Man

Post by The Old Man

Either way it's all Darwinian. Species breed up to a tipping point;
then the strongest prevail.

No, NOT necessarily the strongest, but rather, as Darwin wrote, the most adaptable.

Yes that is true. One wonders if lifetime length is some factor in it
all.

I would think 'infant death rate' and 'maternal death rate' would be
huge as well - those two factors are of course the biggest factors in
the 20th century population explosion despite a falling birthrate
world wide.

(Though unevenly meaning some countries continue to explode while
others barely remain stable)

[a425couple]

Re: If the relationship between citizens in a society
isn't hierarchical, won't it become adversarial?
Is that what we moderns are now learning?

By the way:
https://news.yahoo.com/home-tulsi-stakes-her-claim-043753200.html

Tulsi Gabbard
Corbin Bolies
Fri, February 25, 2022, 8:37 PM·2 min read
In this article:

In her 20-minute speech, Gabbard attempted to balance two opposing
viewpoints: the idea of a “common foundation” in the American public,
and the idea of a “powerful elite” aimed at canceling and silencing
those who speak out against the government.

She touched on multiple themes prevalent throughout the 2022
gathering—free speech, an “authoritarian” Canada, and the idea that
President Joe Biden views those who push back on him as “domestic
terrorists.”

“What they’re telling us is you are an enemy of the state,” she said.
“If you dare to oppose or even question the president, his
administration, or his policies, ‘shut up, step back fall in line, or
we’re coming after you.’ This isn’t some theory. This is reality.”

[gggg gggg]

Post by gggg gggg
Is that what we moderns are now learning?

According to this:

- Confucianism also envisions a society based on a hierarchical system in which each individual’s role is determined by his or her position in society, as well as by familial and personal relationships.

Within the family unit, all individuals fall within a rigid hierarchy. Those with more subordinate positions in the hierarchy hold a general duty of obedience to the superior members of the family. Though there is considerable emphasis on the duties the lower-ranked family members owe to their higher-ranked relatives (two cardinal virtues of an ideal Confucian household are filial piety and obedience), those in superior positions have a reciprocal duty of caring, support and guidance to the subordinate members.

This idea of obedience and rigid application of hierarchical status also applied on a national scale. The same moral values and codes of conduct that prevailed in a family unit extended to the society and nation as a whole – the nation was, in effect, an extended family. This concept is reflected in the Chinese word ‘nation/state’ or guo jia (国家). The first character means ‘nation’ and the second means ‘family’. As within the family unit, loyalty and obedience to rulers were paramount virtues within society. In the same vein, the rulers are to behave toward those they govern in the same caring way in which fathers were encouraged to behave toward their children.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/confucius#:~:text=In%20an%20ideal%20Confucian%20society,as%20the%20foundation%20for%20harmony.&text=Confucianism%20also%20envisions%20a%20society,by%20familial%20and%20personal%20relationships