Discussion:
A Fine Genius In His Native Habitat Is Like Gold In The Mine
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D. Spencer Hines
2008-04-30 23:05:33 UTC
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"A fine genius in his own country is like gold in the mine."

-- Benjamin Franklin (Poor Richard's Almanack, 1733)

Reference: Franklin: Writings, Lemay, ed., Library of America
(1188)
---------------------------

Indeed!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
a.spencer3
2008-05-01 08:57:33 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
"A fine genius in his own country is like gold in the mine."
-- Benjamin Franklin (Poor Richard's Almanack, 1733)
Reference: Franklin: Writings, Lemay, ed., Library of America
(1188)
---------------------------
Indeed!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deep.

Surreyman
Jack Linthicum
2008-05-01 11:01:54 UTC
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Post by a.spencer3
Post by D. Spencer Hines
"A fine genius in his own country is like gold in the mine."
-- Benjamin Franklin (Poor Richard's Almanack, 1733)
Reference: Franklin: Writings, Lemay, ed., Library of America
(1188)
---------------------------
Indeed!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deep.
Surreyman
and

Genius without education is like silver in the mine.
and
A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.
La N
2008-05-01 18:01:16 UTC
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Post by Jack Linthicum
Post by a.spencer3
Post by D. Spencer Hines
"A fine genius in his own country is like gold in the mine."
-- Benjamin Franklin (Poor Richard's Almanack, 1733)
Reference: Franklin: Writings, Lemay, ed., Library of America
(1188)
---------------------------
Indeed!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deep.
Surreyman
and
Genius without education is like silver in the mine.
and
A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one.
During the Middle Ages, probably one of the biggest mistakes was not putting
on your armor because you were "just going down to the corner." - From:
_Deep Thoughts_ by Jack Handey
Vince Brannigan
2008-05-01 18:40:10 UTC
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If you hadn't noticed yet another Bush lovin expensive right wing
educational piece of junk just came up a loser

*Study: 'Reading First' Program Fails to Boost Reading Skills*

By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 1, 2008; 10:01 AM

Children who participate in the $1-billion-a-year reading initiative at
the heart of the No Child Left Behind law have not become better readers
than their peers, according to a study released today by the Education
Department's research arm. The report from the Institute of Education
Sciences found that students in schools that use Reading First, which
provides grants to improve grade-school reading instruction, scored no
better on reading comprehension tests than peers in schools that don't
participate. The conclusion is likely to reignite the longstanding
"reading wars," because critics argue the program places too much
emphasis on explicit phonics instruction and doesn't do enough to foster
understanding.

Reading First, aimed at improving reading skills among students from
low-income families, has been plagued by allegations of mismanagement
and financial conflicts of interest. But the Bush administration has
strenuously backed the effort, saying it helps disadvantaged children
learn to read. About 1.5 million children in about 5,200 schools
nationwide, including more than 140 schools in Maryland, Virginia and
the District, participate in Reading First. The congressionally
mandated study, completed by an independent contractor, focused on tens
of thousands of first-, second- and third-grade students in 248 schools
in 13 states. The children were tested, and researchers observed
teachers in 1,400 classrooms.

No Child Left Behind was enacted in 2002 with support from President
Bush and a broad bipartisan majority in Congress. The law, a signature
domestic achievement for Bush, required an expansion of standardized
testing in schools and authorized other measures meant to help close
achievement gaps, including Reading First. That reading program, which
drew on conclusions in a 2000 report by the National Reading Panel, has
been widely promoted by Bush and Education Secretary Margaret Spellings.
It requires participating schools to use instructional techniques
supported by scientific research. Proponents of a whole-language
approach, which teaches skills through reading stories, say Reading
First favors methods that emphasize explicit phonics instruction.

.....

"There was no statistically significant impact on reading comprehension
scores in grades one, two or three," Grover J. "Russ" Whitehurst,
director of the Institute of Education Sciences said in a briefing with
reporters. "It's possible that in implementing Reading First there is a
greater emphasis on decoding skills and not enough emphasis, or maybe
not correctly structured emphasis, on reading comprehension," he said.
"It's one possibility."


Vince
Eugene Griessel
2008-05-01 19:23:32 UTC
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Post by Vince Brannigan
If you hadn't noticed yet another Bush lovin expensive right wing
educational piece of junk just came up a loser
*Study: 'Reading First' Program Fails to Boost Reading Skills*
By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 1, 2008; 10:01 AM
Children who participate in the $1-billion-a-year reading initiative at
the heart of the No Child Left Behind law have not become better readers
than their peers, according to a study released today by the Education
Department's research arm. The report from the Institute of Education
Sciences found that students in schools that use Reading First, which
provides grants to improve grade-school reading instruction, scored no
better on reading comprehension tests than peers in schools that don't
participate. The conclusion is likely to reignite the longstanding
"reading wars," because critics argue the program places too much
emphasis on explicit phonics instruction and doesn't do enough to foster
understanding.
Reading First, aimed at improving reading skills among students from
low-income families, has been plagued by allegations of mismanagement
and financial conflicts of interest. But the Bush administration has
strenuously backed the effort, saying it helps disadvantaged children
learn to read. About 1.5 million children in about 5,200 schools
nationwide, including more than 140 schools in Maryland, Virginia and
the District, participate in Reading First. The congressionally
mandated study, completed by an independent contractor, focused on tens
of thousands of first-, second- and third-grade students in 248 schools
in 13 states. The children were tested, and researchers observed
teachers in 1,400 classrooms.
No Child Left Behind was enacted in 2002 with support from President
Bush and a broad bipartisan majority in Congress. The law, a signature
domestic achievement for Bush, required an expansion of standardized
testing in schools and authorized other measures meant to help close
achievement gaps, including Reading First. That reading program, which
drew on conclusions in a 2000 report by the National Reading Panel, has
been widely promoted by Bush and Education Secretary Margaret Spellings.
It requires participating schools to use instructional techniques
supported by scientific research. Proponents of a whole-language
approach, which teaches skills through reading stories, say Reading
First favors methods that emphasize explicit phonics instruction.
.....
"There was no statistically significant impact on reading comprehension
scores in grades one, two or three," Grover J. "Russ" Whitehurst,
director of the Institute of Education Sciences said in a briefing with
reporters. "It's possible that in implementing Reading First there is a
greater emphasis on decoding skills and not enough emphasis, or maybe
not correctly structured emphasis, on reading comprehension," he said.
"It's one possibility."
I often wonder just how much of the modern trend of functional
illiteracy is not coupled with the ever more easily available visual
stimulus - TV, DVD, Web,etc.. When I was a kid reading was about the
only escape available - it took one to foreign climes, gave one
incredible adventures, amused, educated and satisfied. There was not
the option of switching on alternate media. In our little military
outpost the generator was switched off at 9 in the evenings anyway -
even if we had TV, which we did not! Being able to read, and read
well, was a link with the world denied those who could not. And I
cannot think of any of my guttersnipe mates who could not read well at
an early age, most even before we went to school. No impetus other
than the need for wanting to know more. And when you live in a little
place with 28 houses in the middle of an arid nowhere - there seemed
to be a burning need to want to know more! Biggles, the Hardy boys,
Famous Five - even the much denigrated comics, of which the community
owned but few, were avidly passed about amongst us and read from cover
to cover. A weekly visit to the barber (a sergeant who supplemented
his pay by providing this service) was much anticipated due to the
fact that he kept a stock of comics for those awaiting his tonsorial
attentions to peruse.

Looking at some of the "modern" people I work with - they would no
more read a book than spend a night under a cold shower. To them it
would be an ordeal rather than a delight. Somewhere the motivation to
read has diminished. Yet there is segment of the community that does
read. We keep a number of bookshops liquid in the community I live in
- maybe 10000 people. Our local shopping mall has 4 - all prospering.
So why this split - why do some never find the urge? Could it be the
psychologists who dictate a lot of how education should be prosecuted
are missing some vital factor? They seem to have made a lot of hashes
with education - starting in the late fifites and early sixties. I
read a paper a few weeks - outlining why the whole "new math" teaching
of the sixties was an unmitigated disaster. I lately listened to a
professor of education expounding on why the "outcomes based
education" scheme implemented here a decade or more ago is a complete
failure.

Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better results
than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of late?


Eugene L Griessel

Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.

- I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
Andrew Swallow
2008-05-02 00:04:00 UTC
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Eugene Griessel wrote:
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better results
than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.

Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?

Andrew Swallow
Peter Skelton
2008-05-02 00:40:36 UTC
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04:00 +0100, Andrew Swallow
Post by Andrew Swallow
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better results
than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.
Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?
A charismatic, enthusiastic teacher with thorough subject mastery
succeeds using a methodology. Analysis shows the success and
attributes it to the methodology.


Peter Skelton
Andrew Swallow
2008-05-02 01:23:22 UTC
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Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04:00 +0100, Andrew Swallow
Post by Andrew Swallow
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better results
than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.
Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?
A charismatic, enthusiastic teacher with thorough subject mastery
succeeds using a methodology. Analysis shows the success and
attributes it to the methodology.
Peter Skelton
They then fail to check it at 3 different schools.

Andrew Swallow
Roger Conroy
2008-05-02 07:32:47 UTC
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Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04:00 +0100, Andrew Swallow
Post by Andrew Swallow
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better results
than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.
Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?
A charismatic, enthusiastic teacher with thorough subject mastery
succeeds using a methodology. Analysis shows the success and
attributes it to the methodology.
Peter Skelton
Crabby, mean old witch uses the same methodolgy - also succeeds.
Peter Skelton
2008-05-02 11:35:32 UTC
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On Fri, 2 May 2008 09:32:47 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
Post by Roger Conroy
Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04:00 +0100, Andrew Swallow
Post by Andrew Swallow
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better results
than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.
Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?
A charismatic, enthusiastic teacher with thorough subject mastery
succeeds using a methodology. Analysis shows the success and
attributes it to the methodology.
Peter Skelton
Crabby, mean old witch uses the same methodolgy - also succeeds.
Crabby, mean old witch also has to be enthusiastic and have
subject knowledge (not going to argue about charisma,
non-charismatics don't get copied). It takes energy to be crabby.

It's the apathetic incompetnets that plague education. That does
not make education special.


Peter Skelton
John Briggs
2008-05-02 11:52:03 UTC
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Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 2 May 2008 09:32:47 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
Post by Roger Conroy
Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04:00 +0100, Andrew Swallow
Post by Andrew Swallow
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better
results than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of
late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.
Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?
A charismatic, enthusiastic teacher with thorough subject mastery
succeeds using a methodology. Analysis shows the success and
attributes it to the methodology.
Peter Skelton
Crabby, mean old witch uses the same methodolgy - also succeeds.
Crabby, mean old witch also has to be enthusiastic and have
subject knowledge (not going to argue about charisma,
non-charismatics don't get copied). It takes energy to be crabby.
It's the apathetic incompetnets that plague education. That does
not make education special.
But what is the real point of education? If you educated everyone to their
full potential, there wouldn't be enough jobs to go round.
--
John Briggs
a.spencer3
2008-05-02 12:03:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Briggs
Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 2 May 2008 09:32:47 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
Post by Roger Conroy
Post by Peter Skelton
On Fri, 02 May 2008 01:04:00 +0100, Andrew Swallow
Post by Andrew Swallow
[snip]
Post by Eugene Griessel
Why did fierce old Miss Harrington, devoid of any psychology other
than the application of a cane to the seat, seem to get better
results than the "scientific" methods implemented so avidly of
late?
Big systems that work are based on small systems that work.
Getting a small system to work is so difficult that it can take years.
Any evidence that the small system these enoumous education systems
are based on actually worked? Or even existed?
A charismatic, enthusiastic teacher with thorough subject mastery
succeeds using a methodology. Analysis shows the success and
attributes it to the methodology.
Peter Skelton
Crabby, mean old witch uses the same methodolgy - also succeeds.
Crabby, mean old witch also has to be enthusiastic and have
subject knowledge (not going to argue about charisma,
non-charismatics don't get copied). It takes energy to be crabby.
It's the apathetic incompetnets that plague education. That does
not make education special.
But what is the real point of education? If you educated everyone to their
full potential, there wouldn't be enough jobs to go round.
--
Which is what is already happening with Blair's attempts at forcing 50% of
all through university. Many are being 'educated' (via silly subject degrees
from toy shop 'universities') beyond their potential.

Surreyman
Jack Linthicum
2008-05-01 19:42:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vince Brannigan
If you hadn't noticed yet another Bush lovin expensive right wing
educational piece of junk just came up a loser
*Study: 'Reading First' Program Fails to Boost Reading Skills*
By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 1, 2008; 10:01 AM
Children who participate in the $1-billion-a-year reading initiative at
the heart of the No Child Left Behind law have not become better readers
than their peers, according to a study released today by the Education
Department's research arm. The report from the Institute of Education
Sciences found that students in schools that use Reading First, which
provides grants to improve grade-school reading instruction, scored no
better on reading comprehension tests than peers in schools that don't
participate. The conclusion is likely to reignite the longstanding
"reading wars," because critics argue the program places too much
emphasis on explicit phonics instruction and doesn't do enough to foster
understanding.
Reading First, aimed at improving reading skills among students from
low-income families, has been plagued by allegations of mismanagement
and financial conflicts of interest. But the Bush administration has
strenuously backed the effort, saying it helps disadvantaged children
learn to read. About 1.5 million children in about 5,200 schools
nationwide, including more than 140 schools in Maryland, Virginia and
the District, participate in Reading First. The congressionally
mandated study, completed by an independent contractor, focused on tens
of thousands of first-, second- and third-grade students in 248 schools
in 13 states. The children were tested, and researchers observed
teachers in 1,400 classrooms.
No Child Left Behind was enacted in 2002 with support from President
Bush and a broad bipartisan majority in Congress. The law, a signature
domestic achievement for Bush, required an expansion of standardized
testing in schools and authorized other measures meant to help close
achievement gaps, including Reading First. That reading program, which
drew on conclusions in a 2000 report by the National Reading Panel, has
been widely promoted by Bush and Education Secretary Margaret Spellings.
It requires participating schools to use instructional techniques
supported by scientific research. Proponents of a whole-language
approach, which teaches skills through reading stories, say Reading
First favors methods that emphasize explicit phonics instruction.
.....
"There was no statistically significant impact on reading comprehension
scores in grades one, two or three," Grover J. "Russ" Whitehurst,
director of the Institute of Education Sciences said in a briefing with
reporters. "It's possible that in implementing Reading First there is a
greater emphasis on decoding skills and not enough emphasis, or maybe
not correctly structured emphasis, on reading comprehension," he said.
"It's one possibility."
Vince
IIRC one of George Bush's brothers was involved in the texts for this
op.

No Bush Left Behind
The President's brother Neil is making hay from school reform

Across the country, some teachers complain that President George W.
Bush's makeover of public education promotes "teaching to the test."
The President's younger brother Neil takes a different tack: He's
selling to the test. The No Child Left Behind Act compels schools to
prove students' mastery of certain facts by means of standardized
exams. Pressure to perform has energized the $1.9 billion-a-year
instructional software industry.
D. Spencer Hines
2008-05-01 21:53:22 UTC
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Where was this?

DSH
Post by Eugene Griessel
In our little military
outpost the generator was switched off at 9 in the evenings anyway -
even if we had TV, which we did not! Being able to read, and read
well, was a link with the world denied those who could not. And I
cannot think of any of my guttersnipe mates who could not read well at
an early age, most even before we went to school. No impetus other
than the need for wanting to know more. And when you live in a little
place with 28 houses in the middle of an arid nowhere - there seemed
to be a burning need to want to know more! Biggles, the Hardy boys,
Famous Five - even the much denigrated comics, of which the community
owned but few, were avidly passed about amongst us and read from cover
to cover. A weekly visit to the barber (a sergeant who supplemented
his pay by providing this service) was much anticipated due to the
fact that he kept a stock of comics for those awaiting his tonsorial
attentions to peruse.
D. Spencer Hines
2008-05-02 18:50:03 UTC
Permalink
BINGO!

The same thing is happening in the United States -- and the whorish
"educators" are willing accomplices -- because MORE students through the
turnstiles mean higher salaries for them.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Post by a.spencer3
Which is what is already happening with Blair's attempts at forcing 50% of
all through university. Many are being 'educated' (via silly subject
degrees
from toy shop 'universities') beyond their potential.
Surreyman
D. Spencer Hines
2008-05-02 19:04:50 UTC
Permalink
Hmmmmmmm...

The Lord Chamberlain is a peer?

A baron?

The Private Secretary to the Queen is also a peer?

Who are these interesting folks?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Oops! Sorry. I completely forgot about Buckingham Palace.
Is the chap who runs the Royal Household called a property
officer ? Chancellor ? Master of the Guards? Chief Steward ?
Lord Chamberlain.
--
... which is a Peer with a largely honorary position, mainly concerned
with traditional court functions, etc.
The actual 'runner' of the household is the Private Secretary to the
Queen.
Surreyman
Vince Brannigan
2008-05-02 20:01:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by D. Spencer Hines
Hmmmmmmm...
The Lord Chamberlain is a peer?
A baron?
The Private Secretary to the Queen is also a peer?
Who are these interesting folks?
DSH
accoding to wiki


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*William James Robert Peel, 3rd Earl Peel*, GCVO
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<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Honourable_Privy_Council>,
DL <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Lieutenant> (born 3 October
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_3> 1947
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Lord Chamberlain <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Chamberlain> of the
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in France <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France> and the Royal
Agricultural College
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<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirencester>. He married in 1973
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973>, Veronica Naomi Timpson. They had
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(born 1976 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976>) and Lady Iona Peel (born
1978 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978>). The marriage was dissolved in
1987. He married, secondly, in 1989 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989>
the Hon. Charlotte Clementine Soames, daughter of Lord Soames
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Soames%2C_Baron_Soames> and
his wife, Mary
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of Sir Winston Churchill
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill>. They have one
daughter, Lady Antonia Peel (born 1991 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991>).

Lord Peel was a member of the Prince's Council
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prince%27s_Council&action=edit&redlink=1>,
part of the Duchy of Cornwall
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Cornwall>, from 1993
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993> to 2006
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006>, and Lord Warden of the Stannaries
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Warden_of_the_Stannaries> from
1994-2006. He was a member of the Nature Conservancy Council
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_Conservancy_Council>, with English
Nature <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Nature>, from 1991
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991> to 1996
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Conservancy Trust <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Conservancy_Trust>
and was President of the Yorkshire Wildlife Trust
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Wildlife_Trust> from 1989
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989> to 1996
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996>. Lord Peel was also on the Yorkshire
Dales National Park Committee
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yorkshire_Dales_National_Park_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1>
for six years. He is an elected member of the House of Lords
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords>.

In June 2006 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2006> it was announced
that Lord Peel would succeed Lord Luce
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Luce> as Lord Chamberlain
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Chamberlain>. On 11 October 2006, he
kissed hands <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Hands> with The Queen
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> upon
his appointment and was invested as a Knight Grand Cross of the Royal
Victorian Order <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Victorian_Order>
/(GCVO)/, and became Chancellor of the Order. On 14 November 2006, Lord
Peel was sworn in as a Member of the Privy Council
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Most_Honourable_Privy_Council>
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Oops! Sorry. I completely forgot about Buckingham Palace.
Is the chap who runs the Royal Household called a property
officer ? Chancellor ? Master of the Guards? Chief Steward ?
Lord Chamberlain.
--
... which is a Peer with a largely honorary position, mainly concerned
with traditional court functions, etc.
The actual 'runner' of the household is the Private Secretary to the
Queen.
Surreyman
D. Spencer Hines
2008-05-02 19:07:16 UTC
Permalink
Hmmmmmmm...

The Lord Chamberlain is a peer?

A baron?

The Private Secretary to the Queen is also a peer?

Who are these interesting folks?

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Oops! Sorry. I completely forgot about Buckingham Palace.
Is the chap who runs the Royal Household called a property
officer ? Chancellor ? Master of the Guards? Chief Steward ?
Lord Chamberlain.
--
... which is a Peer with a largely honorary position, mainly concerned
with traditional court functions, etc.
The actual 'runner' of the household is the Private Secretary to the
Queen.
Surreyman
J A
2008-05-02 23:31:24 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
"A fine genius in his own country is like gold in the mine."
Has gold ever been found in Hawaii.... or just pyrite... ?
Post by D. Spencer Hines
-- Benjamin Franklin (Poor Richard's Almanack, 1733)
Reference: Franklin: Writings, Lemay, ed., Library of America
(1188)
---------------------------
Indeed!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
D. Spencer Hines
2008-05-03 06:32:53 UTC
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Amusing...

Here is a case where Alan Spencer, alias "Surreyman", is clearly correct --
and I agree with him.

However, according to the rock-headed poguenoscenti, if Hines agrees with
him that means Surreyman MUST be WRONG.

Hilarious!

I Love It!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Post by D. Spencer Hines
BINGO!
The same thing is happening in the United States -- and the whorish
"educators" are willing accomplices -- because MORE students through the
turnstiles mean higher salaries for them.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Post by a.spencer3
Which is what is already happening with Blair's attempts at forcing 50%
of all through university. Many are being 'educated' (via silly subject
degrees from toy shop 'universities') beyond their potential.
Surreyman
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