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Charlemagne's brother-in-law: Milo or Milon?
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2014-02-19 00:40:41 UTC
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One Internet genealogical source has
Milo, Duke of Aungiers
married Charlemagne's sister "Bertebelle" and begat Milo II de
Ver.
In another source
Milon, Count of Angleria
married Bertha of the Franks and begat Roland "the Paladin."
Are Milo II de Ver and Roland brothers? Where are Angleria and
Aungiers?
The descent from Milo leads through 7 Counts of Ghesnes, all
surnamed de Ver or de Vere, to many Earls of Oxford. The descent
from Milon of Angleria goes: Milon begat Roland begat Faralando
begat Diego begat Garcia Diaz begat Gonzalo begat Menendo
begat Elvira Melendez of Gallicia, who married King Alfonso V of
Leon. Diego and Garcia Diaz both used "Valdez" as surname;
could that be related to "de Vere"?
James
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Bertha de Martel,is a positive daughter of Pippijn III de Short and Beatrade of Laon. Bertha married Milon d'Anglesis
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2014-02-19 02:28:27 UTC
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One Internet genealogical source has
Milo, Duke of Aungiers
married Charlemagne's sister "Bertebelle" and begat Milo II de
Ver.
In another source
Milon, Count of Angleria
married Bertha of the Franks and begat Roland "the Paladin."
Are Milo II de Ver and Roland brothers? Where are Angleria and
Aungiers? ANSWER--------YES THEY ARE!!
Changed my mind thought to mail this also
Descendants of Milon d'Anglesis
I Milon d'Anglesis. Milon married Bertha de Martel. Bertha is a daughter of Pippijn III de Short and Beatrade of Laon.
Children of Milon and Bertha:
1 Roland de Vere. Follow II.
2 Milo II d'Vere.
3 Nuno d'Belchides.
II Roland de Vere, son of Milon d'Anglesis (see I) and Bertha de Martel.
Child of Roland from an unknown relationship:
1 Faralando de Vere. Follow III.
III Faralando de Vere, son of Roland de Vere (see II).
Child of Faralando from an unknown relationship:
1 Diego of Valdez. Follow IV.
IV Diego of Valdez, son of Faralando de Vere (see III).
Child of Diego from an unknown relationship:
1 Garcia of Valdez. Follow V.
V Garcia of Valdez, son of Diego of Valdez (see IV).
Child of Garcia from an unknown relationship:
1 Gonzalo de Diaz. Follow VI.
VI Gonzalo de Diaz, son of Garcia of Valdez (see V).
Child of Gonzalo from an unknown relationship:
1 Menendo González. Follow VII.
VII Menendo González, son of Gonzalo de Diaz (see VI). Menendo died on Wednesday 6 October 1008.
Note about the publication of Menendo: He was the tutor and father-in-law of King Alfonso V from at least 1003. He maintained peaceful diplomatic relations with the Caliphate of Córdoba until 1004, after which there was a state of war. In his last years he had to deal with Viking raids, during one of which he may have been killed.

Menendo González was probably the eldest son and successor of Gonzalo Menéndez and his wife Ilduara Peláez.[2] Menendo's wife is variously known in contemporary sources as Toda, Tota, Todadomna, Tutadomna, Tutadonna, etc. One twelfth-century source calls her Mayor.[3]

Menendo had at least five sons and three daughters.[4] One son, Rodrigo Menéndez, was a direct ancestor in the maternal line of Urraca Fróilaz, wife of Pedro Fróilaz de Traba.[5] Another, Gonzalo (attested 1007-14), is cited with the title of count, and one Ramiro (attested 1005-14) was the armiger regis, or royal alférez, a post his father had also held. His other sons were Egas and Munio (both attested 1007-14). Besides his daughter Elvira (of whom more below), he had daughters named Ilduara (attested 1025-58) and Ildoncia/Eldonza (attested 1014). Ilduara married Nuño Aloitiz, a count in Portugal.[4]
Title:
semi-autonomous Duke of Galicia and Count of Portugal (997-1008)

Menendo married Tutadonna.
Child of Menendo and Tutadonna:
1 Elvira Melendez of Gallicia. Follow VIII.
VIII Elvira Melendez of Gallicia, daughter of Menendo González (see VII) and Tutadonna. Elvira died on Sunday 2 December 1022. She was buried in Basilica of San Isidoro.
Note about the publication of Elvira: She was one of the daughters of count Menendo González, the First Count of Portugal and co-regent of León, descended from the highest nobility of Portugal and Galicia. Mendes married King Alfonso V of León and was the mother of King Bermudo III of León and Queen Sancha of León.
Title:
Queen of León (1008-1022)

Elvira married Alfonso V "the Noble" of León. Alfonso was born in 994, son of Bermudo II of León and Elvira García. Alfonso died on Wednesday 7 August 1028 in Viseu, Dão-Lafões Subregion of Centro Region, Portugal., aged 33 or 34. He was buried in Basilica of San Isidoro. Alfonso married Urraca of Pamplona.
Title:
King of León from 999 to 1028.

Children of Elvira and Alfonso:
1 Sancha of León. Sancha died on Tuesday 27 November 1067. He was buried in Basilica of San Isidoro.
2 Jimena of León.
3 Bermudo III of León, born in 1017. Follow IX.
IX Bermudo III of León was born in 1017, son of Alfonso V "the Noble" of León and Elvira Melendez of Gallicia (see VIII). Bermudo died on Sunday 4 September 1037 in Tamarón,Burgos, Castile and León, Spain., aged 19 or 20 (cause: in the Battle of Tamarón). He was buried in Basilica of San Isidoro,later Santa María la Real of Nájera.
Note about the publication of Bermudo: Bermudo III (1017 - 4 September 1037), king of León (1028 - 4 September 1037), son of Alfonso V of León by his first wife Elvira Mendes, was the last scion of Peter of Cantabria to rule in the Leonese kingdom. He was called Emperor in Galicia in 1025.[1]

In 1029, Count García Sánchez of Castile was about to be married to Sancha of León, the elder sister of Bermudo, an arrangement apparently sanctioned by the king of Navarre, when the count was murdered in the city of León. Sancho III of Navarre then claimed the county of Castile in his wife's name and installed in it their son, Ferdinand, as the new count of Castile. The Navarrese king's policy turned to pure aggrandisement--sometimes ostensibly on behalf of his son and at other times simply on his own behalf. He seized the (linguistic) borderlands between the Cea and the Pisuerga rivers, right above León capital, long a bone of contention between León and Castile. After he had forced the marriage between Fernando and Sancha in 1032, those lands went to Castile as part of her also forced dowry. In 1034, he wrested the city of León itself from Bermudo, who retreated into Galicia. By the time Sancho died in 1035, the meseta north of the Duero was dominated by the Pyrenean pocket kingdom of Navarre.

However, for all of Sancho's diplomatic and military skill, one cannot help but think that such a situation was essentially the fortuitous result of having youthful opponents. Certainly the brute facts of geography and demography militated against its continuance. After his death, Bermudo III was immediately received back into León and soon began a campaign to recover from Castile and his brother-in-law the disputed territory between the Cea and Pisuerga. But Ferdinand defeated and personally killed Bermudo III at the Battle of Tamarón on September 4, 1037.[2] Autopsy of his remains shows that he may have suffered death from infantry spears or pikes, after falling from his horse.

Since the latter died without an heir, the kingdom of León now recognized Sancha and her husband as its rulers, and Ferdinand was anointed king in the royal city on June 22, 1038. The dynasty of Navarre had triumphed perhaps, but the united realm of León and Castile with its rimlands of Asturias and Galicia, had become the political center of the north Iberian Christian society.

notes;
[1] Justo Pérez de Urbel and Ricardo Del Arco y Garay, Historia de España, vol. 6, España cristiana, comienzo de la reconquista (711-I038), 2d ed. (Madrid, 1964)
[2]Bernard F. Reilly, The Kingdom of León-Castilla under King Alfonso VI, Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. 1998
Title:
King of León[1028-1037]

Bermudo married Jimena Sánchez. Jimena is a daughter of Sancho III of Navarre and Muniadona "Mayor" of Castile.
Child of Bermudo and Jimena:
1 Alfonso of León, born in 1030. Alfonso died in 1030, aged less than a year.
The descent from Milo leads through 7 Counts of Ghesnes, all
surnamed de Ver or de Vere, to many Earls of Oxford. The descent
from Milon of Angleria goes: Milon begat Roland begat Faralando
begat Diego begat Garcia Diaz begat Gonzalo begat Menendo
begat Elvira Melendez of Gallicia, who married King Alfonso V of
Leon. Diego and Garcia Diaz both used "Valdez" as surname;
could that be related to "de Vere"?
James
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2017-02-18 02:17:17 UTC
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One Internet genealogical source has
Milo, Duke of Aungiers
married Charlemagne's sister "Bertebelle" and begat Milo II de
Ver.
In another source
Milon, Count of Angleria
married Bertha of the Franks and begat Roland "the Paladin."
Are Milo II de Ver and Roland brothers? Where are Angleria and
Aungiers?
The descent from Milo leads through 7 Counts of Ghesnes, all
surnamed de Ver or de Vere, to many Earls of Oxford. The descent
from Milon of Angleria goes: Milon begat Roland begat Faralando
begat Diego begat Garcia Diaz begat Gonzalo begat Menendo
begat Elvira Melendez of Gallicia, who married King Alfonso V of
Leon. Diego and Garcia Diaz both used "Valdez" as surname;
could that be related to "de Vere"?
James
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2017-02-18 02:17:56 UTC
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Did Milo or Milon and Berth have a son related to the Berthelot name? What is the lineage?
One Internet genealogical source has
Milo, Duke of Aungiers
married Charlemagne's sister "Bertebelle" and begat Milo II de
Ver.
In another source
Milon, Count of Angleria
married Bertha of the Franks and begat Roland "the Paladin."
Are Milo II de Ver and Roland brothers? Where are Angleria and
Aungiers?
The descent from Milo leads through 7 Counts of Ghesnes, all
surnamed de Ver or de Vere, to many Earls of Oxford. The descent
from Milon of Angleria goes: Milon begat Roland begat Faralando
begat Diego begat Garcia Diaz begat Gonzalo begat Menendo
begat Elvira Melendez of Gallicia, who married King Alfonso V of
Leon. Diego and Garcia Diaz both used "Valdez" as surname;
could that be related to "de Vere"?
James
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