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Does the military begin to weaken by a foreign policy of pacifism?
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2016-07-20 09:23:04 UTC
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According to the following:

- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
SolomonW
2016-07-20 10:59:02 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
Genghis Khan seemed to think so and it is also mentioned as a major cause
of the Byzantine Empire lose at the Battle of Manzikert.
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2018-01-05 00:23:29 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
Genghis Khan seemed to think so and it is also mentioned as a major cause
of the Byzantine Empire lose at the Battle of Manzikert.
All skills deteriorate if they are not regularly used.
Good training can help, but nothing is as good as actual
combat to drive the skills and lessons home.

And it's especially important in the leadership. Some combat
experience among the Captains, Lieutenants, Gunny Sergeants,
and Staff Sergeants is a serious force multiplier.

For a more modern example, consider POTUS Truman at the
start of the Korean War, and the call up of reservists.
The active duty and the organized reserve were large enough,
and by all 'rights' were being paid to do this combat.
But many units had no junior combat experience.
Truman thought it was a dirty rotten unfair shame to
take people who had been drafted, or answered the call
for WWII, and had then gotten out and set about their
lives - - but he recalled large numbers back to active
service, and combat, because it would in his opinion
(as a prior officer who served in combat!!)
have been inexcusable to send these green troops into
combat without seasoned leaders.
Hence, veterans who thought they were totally out and done,
got the God damn dirty trick played on them - the big finger poke.


from
http://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/Documents/historycorner/Korean%20War%20Pub_Revised%20June%2012-2013.pdf

Organized Reserve served primarily as a manpower pool to bring the under
strength active Army units up to full manning through involuntary recalls as
the Department of Defense worked desperately to deploy combat power to the
theater of war as rapidly as possible.
In order to better face future conflicts of this nature, the United
States Congress
redefined the reserve components with the passage of the Armed Forces
Reserve
Act of 1952. This milestone legislation renamed the Organized Reserve as the
Army Reserve. It created the Ready Reserve liable for active duty during
wartime
or in a national emergency. In addition, it established a Standby
Reserve and
a Retired pool liable for active duty under a congressional declaration.
Most
important, Congress set a policy that future mobilizations should
call-up reserve
component units first before any levies on reserve manpower pools.
The Act of 1952 serves as the foundation upon which the Army Reserve
functions
today. The lessons learned from the Korean War still guide the way ahead as
we face the challenges of maintaining security across the globe in these
times
of uncertainty. We must also not forget those servicemen who gave their
lives.
In the Korean War, the United States suffered 33,651 battle deaths and
20,617
non-battle deaths.
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2016-11-25 00:56:28 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.

Thomas Sowell
Eric Stevens
2016-11-25 08:15:54 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
By definition - wimps are going to loose every time.
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Eric Stevens
D. Spencer Hines
2016-11-25 08:34:59 UTC
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Indeed.

...Which is why we no longer need an Entertainer In Chief, with a Nobel
Peace Prize, which was completely unearned -- and thereby gnawed away at him
and made him feel guilty.

We need a true Commander-In-Chief, who is serious about the threat of
Radical Islamic Terrorism.

DSH
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"All things truly wicked start from an innocence." -- Ernest Hemingway _A
Moveable Feast_
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor
Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its
military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the
barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
By definition - wimps are going to loose every time.
--
Regards,

Eric Stevens
Robert Mulain
2016-11-25 17:15:09 UTC
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Indeed.
...Which is why we no longer need an Entertainer In Chief, with a Nobel
Peace Prize, which was completely unearned -- and thereby gnawed away at him
and made him feel guilty.
We need a true Commander-In-Chief, who is serious about the threat of
Radical Islamic Terrorism.
What, like (snicker) Ronald Reagan? Oh no, of course he was the one who armed and financed them - senile old git!
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2017-11-25 19:06:28 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
By definition - wimps are going to loose every time.
There is end to the appeal of binary propositions to this man... old news...

The refrain is also a contradiction. If wimps are at a battle, they are no longer wimps 'by definition.'

Another straw confection to put enemies into, neatly, almost.

Let us create 'wimps' and put Obama in the group. So Obama loses.

Sheer infantile.

When in fact Trump will NEVER even approach Obama's accomplishments, never mind
being a proper president who sets the moral tone for the nation and the world.

Trump's manifest green envy of Obama's good work subordinates him to Blackenstein's aura, for life. Trump hates blacks bettering him, and it happens
often.

The POTUS figures large in the public psyche, especially the male one. This is
an obvious benefit when an honorable man occupies the post, and equally
pernicious when a lowlife like Trump does.

What kind of role model does Trump provides to our kids?

No kids? How's seeing that fat face on TV every fucking day lying through capped teeth?

Take that to the bank.

This amoral push for brazen party first, ends-justify-means mentality
Republicans are trying to accustom us to, will not produce the payback they
expect.

There is a deep well of good moral values in the country that will wash over
them. Soon.
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2016-11-25 09:32:50 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
Thomas Sowell
So should a nation's leader adopt the following belief?:

- Only a fighting nation can make itself responsible for world peace, and such a nation must organize its material resources and manpower with the highest possible degree of efficiency.

Chiang Kai-shek
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2017-05-26 08:47:29 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
Thomas Sowell
Did Christianity make wimps out of the Romans?:

- The clergy successfully preached the doctrines of patience and pusillanimity; the active virtues of society were discouraged; and the last remains of the military spirit were buried in the cloister; a large portion of public and private wealth was consecrated to the specious demands of charity and devotion; and the soldiers’ pay was lavished on the useless multitudes of both sexes, who could only plead the merits of abstinence and chastity. (Edward Gibbon. “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,” Vol. 3, Chapter XXXVIII)

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/discarding-christianity-discards-truths-of-humanity/#T5RM3GMgzL5RfLQS.99
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2017-05-27 10:57:30 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
Thomas Sowell
- If we are attacked we can only defend ourselves with guns not with butter.

Joseph Goebbels
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2017-05-29 10:35:33 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
Thomas Sowell
Have Americans raised a generation of wimps?:

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/28/george-f-will-how-to-restore-american-self-reliance/
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2017-11-24 16:24:41 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
Thomas Sowell
- This long peace, and the uniform government of the Romans, introduced a slow and secret poison into the vitals of the empire. The minds of men were gradually reduced to the same level, the fire of genius was extinguished, and even the military spirit evaporated.

Gibbon
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2017-11-25 18:45:13 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win.
Thomas Sowell
According to the following:

- Military concerns, however, were given conspicuously little attention by Song rulers, who far preferred to devote themselves to more intellectual and esoteric pursuits.

https://books.google.com/books?id=voerPYsAB5wC&pg=PA327&dq=%22Military+concerns,+however,+were+given+conspicuously+little+attention+by+Song+rulers,+who+far+preferred+to+devote+themselves+to+more+intellectual+and+esoteric+pursuits.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2se74r9rXAhUHzGMKHe30A4wQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22Military%20concerns%2C%20however%2C%20were%20given%20conspicuously%20little%20attention%20by%20Song%20rulers%2C%20who%20far%20preferred%20to%20devote%20themselves%20to%20more%20intellectual%20and%20esoteric%20pursuits.%22&f=false

- Of the city's inhabitants, Polo...[cites] their pursuit of peace and general disregard for military matters.

https://books.google.com/books?id=JqHPpNaZfNwC&pg=PA327&dq=%22pursuit+of+peace+and+general+disregard+for+military+matters%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjeq6LVsNrXAhURy2MKHd_kCggQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22pursuit%20of%20peace%20and%20general%20disregard%20for%20military%20matters%22&f=false
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2017-12-03 04:04:19 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
World War II movie censors also felt that pacifism was bad for the troops. According to Jane Wyatt who starred in "Lost Horizon":

- During the war, they cut out all the pacifist parts of the film—the High Lama talking about peace in the world. All that was cut because they were trying to inspire those G.I.'s to get out there and go 'bang! bang! bang!' which sort of ruined the film.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Wyatt
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2018-02-08 08:25:31 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
- During the war, they cut out all the pacifist parts of the film—the High Lama talking about peace in the world. All that was cut because they were trying to inspire those G.I.'s to get out there and go 'bang! bang! bang!' which sort of ruined the film.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Wyatt
According to this:

- At the outbreak of WW2, Hitler had performances of Parsifal banned
throughout Germany, including at Bayreuth. His reason was that the
work was too pacifist for a nation at war.

http://www.wagneropera.net/articles/articles-bayliss-2017-parsifal-and-anti-semitism.htm
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2018-01-04 20:38:45 UTC
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- The official policy of the Song Empire at the time [of Emperor Renzong] was one of pacifism and this caused the weakening of its military.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Renzong_of_Song
According to the following:

- ...Tried any attempt to make peace with their enemies, contributing to continual alien invasions. That is why the Southern Song Dynasty is considered as the weakest dynasty in Chinese history.

https://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/history/song/southern.htm
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