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Trump Lets Sun Set On America
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Tiglath
2017-07-09 00:53:49 UTC
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The Most Powerful Man In The World: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin


The White House needs a new position, presidential judo teacher.

It's urgent.

I used to train legionnaires in North Africa when I was 21, and thankfully
transferred to Menorca after the first green belt legionnaire could take over. I'd love to teach Hiza Guruma to Trump (with a bit of foot edge applied to the
shin, so he feels it) and Uchi Mata (airborne Trump).

Sensei Putin hypnotized our prez with strings of pearls, praising words of
quite a length. Then Zen Putin took his lunch money.

That is what style plus substance looks like, folks.

No vanity or narcissism to be see in Putin. Surely he is rich but much is
part of the job. A judo master is a man with self-discipline and not at all
like a Manhattan playboy billionaire.

Putin had Trump for lunch as Lavrov shrank T. Rex to mouse size.

This is statecraft at its best, but unfortunately to advance ends contrary to
most things I believe to be good.

Trump is letting the sun set on America
Eric Stevens
2017-07-09 08:22:48 UTC
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The Most Powerful Man In The World: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
The White House needs a new position, presidential judo teacher.
It's urgent.
I used to train legionnaires in North Africa when I was 21, and thankfully
transferred to Menorca after the first green belt legionnaire could take over. I'd love to teach Hiza Guruma to Trump (with a bit of foot edge applied to the
shin, so he feels it) and Uchi Mata (airborne Trump).
Sensei Putin hypnotized our prez with strings of pearls, praising words of
quite a length. Then Zen Putin took his lunch money.
That is what style plus substance looks like, folks.
No vanity or narcissism to be see in Putin. Surely he is rich but much is
part of the job. A judo master is a man with self-discipline and not at all
like a Manhattan playboy billionaire.
Putin had Trump for lunch as Lavrov shrank T. Rex to mouse size.
This is statecraft at its best, but unfortunately to advance ends contrary to
most things I believe to be good.
Trump is letting the sun set on America
It's amazing that you were able to get into the meeting.

Even more amazing that they let you back out. But I suppose I can
understand why they did.
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Eric Stevens
Tiglath
2017-07-09 18:16:49 UTC
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It's amazing that you were able to get into the meeting.
Even more amazing that they let you back out. But I suppose I can
understand why they did.
Mr. Stevens likes to watch the sun orbiting the earth so much that he gets
sunstroke often, as his post shows.

Why did you unkillfile me, Mr. Stevens?

I thought you had no interest whatsoever in me -- you said so, repeatedly.

And here he is in MY thread trying to tickle me again.

Let me warn you again that I won't be able to repay your genuine interest in me,
for all I ever want to do with you is make fun of you. You've been warned, again.

Unless, that is, you have taken advantage of this shm sabbatical and got an
engineering degree, learn some math, cosmology and above all some fucking logic.

Then it might be ok, otherwise proceed at your peril, Geocentrist.
Eric Stevens
2017-07-09 22:48:41 UTC
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Post by Eric Stevens
It's amazing that you were able to get into the meeting.
Even more amazing that they let you back out. But I suppose I can
understand why they did.
Mr. Stevens likes to watch the sun orbiting the earth so much that he gets
sunstroke often, as his post shows.
Why did you unkillfile me, Mr. Stevens?
It was an accident. My kill file didn't move to my no computer. I find
it interesting to watch you being played by DSH.
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I thought you had no interest whatsoever in me -- you said so, repeatedly.
And here he is in MY thread trying to tickle me again.
Let me warn you again that I won't be able to repay your genuine interest in me,
for all I ever want to do with you is make fun of you. You've been warned, again.
Unless, that is, you have taken advantage of this shm sabbatical and got an
engineering degree, learn some math, cosmology and above all some fucking logic.
Then it might be ok, otherwise proceed at your peril, Geocentrist.
Nasty little piece of egocentricity, aren't you?
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Eric Stevens
Tiglath
2017-07-10 01:30:31 UTC
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It's amazing that you were able to get into the meeting.
Even more amazing that they let you back out. But I suppose I can
understand why they did.
Mr. Stevens likes to watch the sun orbiting the earth so much that he gets
sunstroke often, as his post shows.
Why did you unkillfile me, Mr. Stevens?
It was an accident. My kill file didn't move to my no computer.
An accident you could but obviously do not want to rectify. A reversal or
sorts.

This little killfile episode is not helping you restore any credibility
either.

People who are genuinely not interested in me don't post. They actually
can't be bothered and ignore everything I say. You don't look at all
like them.

I hope it's only infatuation.
Post by Eric Stevens
I find it interesting to watch you being played by DSH.
Hines' Quijote has had many willing Sancho Panzas. I don't recall many
helping much. You in particular, may be able to shine his shoes, as I
don't see being any kind of desirable help or rhetorical supplement.
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Nasty little piece of egocentricity, aren't you?
I'll take egocentric over geocentric any day.
The Horny Goat
2017-07-10 06:24:21 UTC
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People who are genuinely not interested in me don't post. They actually
can't be bothered and ignore everything I say. You don't look at all
like them.
Funny - I was under the impression that regular posters were folks
interested in medieval history. Wasn't aware it was because we were
particularly interested in you or any other poster but rather the
ideas we hope they have and might be interesting in an educational
point of way.

If somebody recommends a good source or a book I haven't read before -
well that's my idea of a win win.
Tiglath
2017-07-10 14:34:54 UTC
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Post by Tiglath
People who are genuinely not interested in me don't post. They actually
can't be bothered and ignore everything I say. You don't look at all
like them.
Funny - I was under the impression that regular posters were folks
interested in medieval history. Wasn't aware it was because we were
particularly interested in you or any other poster but rather the
ideas we hope they have and might be interesting in an educational
point of way.
You talk about, "regular posters." I referred to, "people who are not interested
in me." Overlapping, but DIFFERENT groups.

Regular posters are certainly interested in medieval history, but you would not
now by looking at their posts, even if you count me out.
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If somebody recommends a good source or a book I haven't read before -
well that's my idea of a win win.
Well... yes... but why say this here? Who said anything about ignoring
book recommendations?
The Horny Goat
2017-07-10 14:56:13 UTC
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If somebody recommends a good source or a book I haven't read before -
well that's my idea of a win win.
Well... yes... but why say this here? Who said anything about ignoring
book recommendations?
I've been saying that for years in soc.history.what-if which has a
much better signal to noise ratio with people being challenged
regularly. And references are regularly offered at least as often as
here.
Tiglath
2017-07-10 15:27:07 UTC
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If somebody recommends a good source or a book I haven't read before -
well that's my idea of a win win.
Well... yes... but why say this here? Who said anything about ignoring
book recommendations?
I've been saying that for years in soc.history.what-if which has a
much better signal to noise ratio with people being challenged
regularly. And references are regularly offered at least as often as
here.
People bothered by noise should post in moderated groups only.

Noise, also, does not prevent anyone from posting on-topic.

Modern readers are great at ignoring threads and posters automatically so
you don't even have to see what you don't like.

Therefore, since inevitable noise can be circumvented, those who
complaint about noise are either stupid or just like to complaint and want
to have a go. Self-appointed moderators soon wither here.
The Horny Goat
2017-07-11 15:46:33 UTC
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Therefore, since inevitable noise can be circumvented, those who
complaint about noise are either stupid or just like to complaint and want
to have a go. Self-appointed moderators soon wither here.
In my world the 'n' (go to next message) key does best.

Generally if there's a whole screen page of replies before the new
content, 'n' it is
Eric Stevens
2017-07-10 22:20:10 UTC
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It's amazing that you were able to get into the meeting.
Even more amazing that they let you back out. But I suppose I can
understand why they did.
--- attempt at evasion snipped ---

Can you show that what you wrote was anything but the maundering
dreams of a nasty little person?

I don't believe you can and expect you to respond with thinly
disguised personal abuse.
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Eric Stevens
Tiglath
2017-07-11 05:27:27 UTC
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Can you show that what you wrote was anything but the maundering
dreams of a nasty little person?
The bout of retirement in defeat has left you incurably sore and even
more confused.

How can you return to wallow in the mud of your "illustrious" shm career?

Have you not any sense of ridicule, sir?

I could discuss with you how Putin has sealed the public case on Russian hacking and achieved his goals to our detriment, and various other things and the sources, but..., but why?

The only reason would be to give you rope. It had glorious results in the
past, reliably, but now Mr. Hines is here, so you are redundant jester,
out of job, 'afraid.

Why dance with the ugly one? I have a tall and dark Hawaiian beach boy
to spar with. A man with the sense to guard his boldest opinions, unlike you.

Why dance with a decrepit ruin from down under, who poses as an engineer,
but shows far more rigor in his mortis than his his math?

You attempt to tackle scientific questions without any ability to be thorough, exhaustive, or accurate. An awkward man.

One who teaches that there were Gauls in the Tollense Valley on a hot Minoan
afternoon fighting with their bare tuckus.

I hoped you would not come back, but since you did let me map it for you.

Last September, seems yesterday, Mr. Stevens said farewell and wrote to me:

"No, which is why I am abandoning you. I hope you get on well with Archimedes Plutonium."

Some abandoning...


------------------------- cordon sanitaire -------------------------

1. "Both the heliocentric model and the geocentric model of Earth
are correct."

2. "The motions of the planets with respect to each other and the sun
remain constant irrespective of whether the model is geo or helio
centric."

3. "This is a serious question. You postulate a 'still' sun. That is,
that the sun is not moving. What is your reference point against which
you determine the (lack of) motion of the sun?"

4 An atheist cannot experience the absence of gods.
[Actually he wrote less concisely:] "A person who is an athiest [sic](such
as you and I) cannot have empirical evidence of the absence of God(s)."

5. "Michael Martin's [Ph.D. Analytical Philosophy, Harvard] acknowledged
expertise is not in the field of logic."
Eric Stevens
2017-07-11 23:24:34 UTC
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Can you show that what you wrote was anything but the maundering
dreams of a nasty little person?
The bout of retirement in defeat has left you incurably sore and even
more confused.
How can you return to wallow in the mud of your "illustrious" shm career?
Have you not any sense of ridicule, sir?
I could discuss with you how Putin has sealed the public case on Russian hacking and achieved his goals to our detriment, and various other things and the sources, but..., but why?
The only reason would be to give you rope. It had glorious results in the
past, reliably, but now Mr. Hines is here, so you are redundant jester,
out of job, 'afraid.
Why dance with the ugly one? I have a tall and dark Hawaiian beach boy
to spar with. A man with the sense to guard his boldest opinions, unlike you.
Why dance with a decrepit ruin from down under, who poses as an engineer,
but shows far more rigor in his mortis than his his math?
You attempt to tackle scientific questions without any ability to be thorough, exhaustive, or accurate. An awkward man.
One who teaches that there were Gauls in the Tollense Valley on a hot Minoan
afternoon fighting with their bare tuckus.
I hoped you would not come back, but since you did let me map it for you.
"No, which is why I am abandoning you. I hope you get on well with Archimedes Plutonium."
Some abandoning...
------------------------- cordon sanitaire -------------------------
1. "Both the heliocentric model and the geocentric model of Earth
are correct."
2. "The motions of the planets with respect to each other and the sun
remain constant irrespective of whether the model is geo or helio
centric."
3. "This is a serious question. You postulate a 'still' sun. That is,
that the sun is not moving. What is your reference point against which
you determine the (lack of) motion of the sun?"
4 An atheist cannot experience the absence of gods.
[Actually he wrote less concisely:] "A person who is an athiest [sic](such
as you and I) cannot have empirical evidence of the absence of God(s)."
5. "Michael Martin's [Ph.D. Analytical Philosophy, Harvard] acknowledged
expertise is not in the field of logic."
And this is a response to:
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Post by Eric Stevens
It's amazing that you were able to get into the meeting.
Even more amazing that they let you back out. But I suppose I can
understand why they did.
--- attempt at evasion snipped ---

Can you show that what you wrote was anything but the maundering
dreams of a nasty little person?

I don't believe you can and expect you to respond with thinly
disguised personal abuse.
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It seems I was right.
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Eric Stevens
Tiglath
2017-07-12 00:02:29 UTC
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As I said, I CAN respond to you but why?

As responses go, you owe big.

So before you can even begin to complaint you should attend to YOUR own pending
responses.

I believe, Mr. Stevens still owes me a response, explaining where the
excluded middle was in some dreamed up fallacy he accused me of.

The posts are still there. Show me where the fallacy was, point at the
components, or admit you were wrong.

Then we can move to the next you still owe.

You are going to need a better memory to keep up.
Eric Stevens
2017-07-12 04:23:39 UTC
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As I said, I CAN respond to you but why?
As responses go, you owe big.
So before you can even begin to complaint you should attend to YOUR own pending
responses.
I believe, Mr. Stevens still owes me a response, explaining where the
excluded middle was in some dreamed up fallacy he accused me of.
The posts are still there. Show me where the fallacy was, point at the
components, or admit you were wrong.
Then we can move to the next you still owe.
You are going to need a better memory to keep up.
As I expected you can't explain how you got both in and out of the
meeting and as I expected, you can only respond with thinly disguised
personal abuse.
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Eric Stevens
Tiglath
2017-07-12 06:06:14 UTC
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As I expected you can't explain how you got both in and out of the
meeting
You stupid? A meeting can be very well inferred by the expectations going in and
the results coming out, direct evidence from participants, investigators, and
professional analysis in retrospect. You should read more.

If you had to be in a meeting to know about it, we could not know anything
about Gauls, without having lived then with your nude buddies.

What do you care about what happens in the top hemisphere, isn't New Zealand
lovely enough for you to mind your own politics?

You are Trump-like, without the money, only your cover-ups crack sooner.

Trump is empirical evidence that with enough money and popularity even
white trash can occupy the presidency.

The FDA needs you Mr. Stevens as assistant dismantler of climate change initiatives; it's axe work.
Post by Eric Stevens
and as I expected, you can only respond with thinly disguised
personal abuse.
Any disguise was purely unintentional. Sorry.
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Eric Stevens
Peter Jason
2017-07-09 23:53:44 UTC
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The Most Powerful Man In The World: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
The White House needs a new position, presidential judo teacher.
It's urgent.
Yes it is, now that American democracy has degenerated into populism.

One-party states are on the rise, and the USA will be conquered
financially unless it lifts its game.
The recent two-party circus looks like a joke to the rest of the
world, especially since the cabal causing the GFC of 2008 is still at
large.
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