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Easter Island. Archaeology
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Eric Stevens
2018-04-07 22:34:52 UTC
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A very interesting article
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/07/easter-islands-ecological-suicide-myths-and-realities/
The effect of the Little Ice Age on Easter Island.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
Peter Jason
2018-04-08 00:08:59 UTC
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:34:52 +1200, Eric Stevens
Post by Eric Stevens
A very interesting article
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/07/easter-islands-ecological-suicide-myths-and-realities/
The effect of the Little Ice Age on Easter Island.
3 papers which broadly agree.
**********************
FROM GENOCIDE TO ECOCIDE: THE RAPE OF RAPA NUI
Benny Peiser
Liverpool John Moores University, Faculty of Science, Liverpool L3
2ET, UK.
Email: ***@livjm.ac.uk
ABSTRACT
The ‘decline and fall’ of Easter Island and its alleged
self-destruction has become
the poster child of a new environmentalist historiography, a school of
thought that
goes hand-in-hand with predictions of environmental disaster. Why did
this
exceptional civilisation crumble? What drove its population to
extinction? These
are some of the key questions Jared Diamond endeavours to answer in
his new
book Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive. According to
Diamond,
the people of Easter Island destroyed their forest, degraded the
island’s topsoil,
wiped out their plants and drove their animals to extinction. As a
result of this selfinflicted
environmental devastation, its complex society collapsed, descending
into
civil war, cannibalism and self-destruction. While his theory of
ecocide has
become almost paradigmatic in environmental circles, a dark and gory
secret hangs
over the premise of Easter Island’s self-destruction: an actual
genocide terminated
Rapa Nui’s indigenous populace and its culture. Diamond, however,
ignores and
fails to address the true reasons behind Rapa Nui’s collapse. Why has
he turned
the victims of cultural and physical extermination into the
perpetrators of their
own demise? This paper is a first attempt to address this disquieting
quandary.
It describes the foundation of Diamond’s environmental revisionism and
explains
why it does not hold up to scientific scrutiny.

***************************
The last glacial maximum climatic conditions on Easter Island
G. Azizia, J.R. Flenleyb,

aDepartment of Physical Geography, Faculty of Geography, University of
Tehran, Iran
bSchool of People, Environment and Planning, Massey University, New
Zealand
Available online 19 September 2007
Abstract
The aim of this paper is to refine previous estimates of last glacial
maximum (LGM) climatic conditions for Easter Island. Samples
were analysed for fossil pollen from the lower half of a 13.40m
sediment core (RRA5). This part of the core includes a time span from
ca.
28,000–10,000 14C BP. The results show that during this period there
were three different climatic conditions: first, a time span from ca.
28,000–23,200 14C BP with slightly cooler and probably drier
conditions relative to present day. Second, a more cool and dry
climatic
condition from ca. 23,200–14,700 14C BP. The second time span had two
peak points at ca. 22,100 and 17,150 14C BP. It seems that the
coolest and driest conditions occurred at 17,150 14C BP. Third, a warm
and wet climate started at ca. 15,000 14C BP and continued until
the end of the period studied (10,000 14C BP). In all the time covered
in this study, there was an inverse relationship between values of
Palmae and Poaceae, while Poaceae and Tubuliflorae shrubs show similar
variations. The temperature estimations that are presented by
different authors based on oxygen isotopes are for approximately 4 1C
cooling at the LGM. However, the empirical values derived from
the pollen evidence suggest only ca. 1.9 1C cooling. This is in
agreement with recently obtained values from tropical lowlands.
r 2007 Elsevier Ltd and INQUA. All rights reserved.

********************************
The Simple Economics of Easter Island: A Ricardo-Malthus
Model of Renewable Resource Use
By JAMES A. BRANDER AND M. SCOTI TAYLOR*
This paper presents a general equilibrium model of renewable resource
and
population dynamics related to the Latka-Volterra predator-prey model,
with
man as the predator and the resource base as the prey. We apply the
model to
the rise and fall of Easter Island, showing that plausible parameter
values generate
a "feast and famine" pattern of cyclical adjustment in population and
resource stocks. Near-monotonic adjustment arises for higher values of
a resource
regeneration parameter, as might apply elsewhere in Polynesia. We also
describe other civilizations that might have declined because of
population overshooting
and endogenous resource degradation. (JEL Q20, N57, JIO)

*********************************
SolomonW
2018-04-08 01:38:44 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 10:34:52 +1200, Eric Stevens
Post by Eric Stevens
A very interesting article
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/04/07/easter-islands-ecological-suicide-myths-and-realities/
The effect of the Little Ice Age on Easter Island.
3 papers which broadly agree.
**********************
FROM GENOCIDE TO ECOCIDE: THE RAPE OF RAPA NUI
Benny Peiser
Liverpool John Moores University, Faculty of Science, Liverpool L3
2ET, UK.
ABSTRACT
The ‘decline and fall’ of Easter Island and its alleged
self-destruction has become
the poster child of a new environmentalist historiography, a school of
thought that
goes hand-in-hand with predictions of environmental disaster. Why did
this
exceptional civilisation crumble? What drove its population to
extinction? These
are some of the key questions Jared Diamond endeavours to answer in
his new
book Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive. According to
Diamond,
the people of Easter Island destroyed their forest, degraded the
island’s topsoil,
wiped out their plants and drove their animals to extinction. As a
result of this selfinflicted
environmental devastation, its complex society collapsed, descending
into
civil war, cannibalism and self-destruction. While his theory of
ecocide has
become almost paradigmatic in environmental circles, a dark and gory
secret hangs
over the premise of Easter Island’s self-destruction: an actual
genocide terminated
Rapa Nui’s indigenous populace and its culture. Diamond, however,
ignores and
fails to address the true reasons behind Rapa Nui’s collapse. Why has
he turned
the victims of cultural and physical extermination into the
perpetrators of their
own demise? This paper is a first attempt to address this disquieting
quandary.
It describes the foundation of Diamond’s environmental revisionism and
explains
why it does not hold up to scientific scrutiny.
***************************
The last glacial maximum climatic conditions on Easter Island
G. Azizia, J.R. Flenleyb,
aDepartment of Physical Geography, Faculty of Geography, University of
Tehran, Iran
bSchool of People, Environment and Planning, Massey University, New
Zealand
Available online 19 September 2007
Abstract
The aim of this paper is to refine previous estimates of last glacial
maximum (LGM) climatic conditions for Easter Island. Samples
were analysed for fossil pollen from the lower half of a 13.40m
sediment core (RRA5). This part of the core includes a time span from
ca.
28,000–10,000 14C BP. The results show that during this period there
were three different climatic conditions: first, a time span from ca.
28,000–23,200 14C BP with slightly cooler and probably drier
conditions relative to present day. Second, a more cool and dry
climatic
condition from ca. 23,200–14,700 14C BP. The second time span had two
peak points at ca. 22,100 and 17,150 14C BP. It seems that the
coolest and driest conditions occurred at 17,150 14C BP. Third, a warm
and wet climate started at ca. 15,000 14C BP and continued until
the end of the period studied (10,000 14C BP). In all the time covered
in this study, there was an inverse relationship between values of
Palmae and Poaceae, while Poaceae and Tubuliflorae shrubs show similar
variations. The temperature estimations that are presented by
different authors based on oxygen isotopes are for approximately 4 1C
cooling at the LGM. However, the empirical values derived from
the pollen evidence suggest only ca. 1.9 1C cooling. This is in
agreement with recently obtained values from tropical lowlands.
r 2007 Elsevier Ltd and INQUA. All rights reserved.
********************************
The Simple Economics of Easter Island: A Ricardo-Malthus
Model of Renewable Resource Use
By JAMES A. BRANDER AND M. SCOTI TAYLOR*
This paper presents a general equilibrium model of renewable resource
and
population dynamics related to the Latka-Volterra predator-prey model,
with
man as the predator and the resource base as the prey. We apply the
model to
the rise and fall of Easter Island, showing that plausible parameter
values generate
a "feast and famine" pattern of cyclical adjustment in population and
resource stocks. Near-monotonic adjustment arises for higher values of
a resource
regeneration parameter, as might apply elsewhere in Polynesia. We also
describe other civilizations that might have declined because of
population overshooting
and endogenous resource degradation. (JEL Q20, N57, JIO)
*********************************
Here are two more papers all saying the same.

https://phys.org/news/2015-01-history-rapa-nui-easter-island.html

https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-08 02:59:00 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722.
More politically correct bullshit, as the first Europeans to discover the island
reported it as a wind swept wilderness devoid of trees with barely any people
living there.
SolomonW
2018-04-08 06:19:47 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722.
More politically correct bullshit, as the first Europeans to discover the island
reported it as a wind swept wilderness devoid of trees with barely any people
living there.
This is his first sight report, now please check here.

https://www.easterisland.travel/easter-island-facts-and-info/history/ship-logs-and-journals/jacob-roggeveen-1722/

"It was now deemed advisable to go to the other side of the Island, whereto
the King or Head Chief invited us, as being the principal place of their
plantations and fruit-trees,"


If you read this clearly he found a large community of people, how many
unfortunately he does not say.
g***@gmail.com
2018-04-08 18:13:27 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722.
- If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans.

Stephen Hawking: 1942 - 2018
SolomonW
2018-04-09 02:48:57 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722.
- If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans.
Stephen Hawking: 1942 - 2018
Mmmmm

That alien's diseases would probably not spread to us because its biology
is different but having said that I think Stephen Hawking is overall right.
Any alien if they exist, would do so because they are the meanest and
toughest person in their block. This SETI stuff is actually asking for
trouble
g***@gmail.com
2018-04-11 06:32:18 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722.
- If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans.
Stephen Hawking: 1942 - 2018
Mmmmm
That alien's diseases would probably not spread to us because its biology
is different but having said that I think Stephen Hawking is overall right.
Any alien if they exist, would do so because they are the meanest and
toughest person in their block. This SETI stuff is actually asking for
trouble
The following article asks:

- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?

https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-09 15:33:40 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed
in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans.
Stephen Hawking: 1942 - 2018
I’m reminded of a scene in the Tom Cruise sci-fi movie “Oblivion” (which is a
pretty cool flick) where we see giant machines sucking up the Earth’s oceans
and I thought; “why go thru all that trouble, when you could just capture an ice
asteroid and get all the water you need?”

Because a species capable of interstellar travel would have no need to conquer
Earth for our resources, as those could all be gotten far easier elsewhere and
without the expense of fighting us for them.

There are Moon sized nickel-iron asteroids floating around in space that contain
more metal then humans have mined and refined on Earth in our entire history,
so why slaughter humans (and deal with the hassle of Earth’s gravity well) to
steal our scraps?

The only aliens-invade-to-steal-our-stuff story that’s ever made sense to me is
Turtledove’s “Worldwar” series, where aliens at approximately our modern day
tech level invade Earth during WWII and have no choice but to fight us, as they’ve
been sent on a one-way colonization mission and can’t return home.
Peter Jason
2018-04-09 21:44:40 UTC
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Post by g***@gmail.com
If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed
in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans.
Stephen Hawking: 1942 - 2018
I’m reminded of a scene in the Tom Cruise sci-fi movie “Oblivion” (which is a
pretty cool flick) where we see giant machines sucking up the Earth’s oceans
and I thought; “why go thru all that trouble, when you could just capture an ice
asteroid and get all the water you need?”
Because a species capable of interstellar travel would have no need to conquer
Earth for our resources, as those could all be gotten far easier elsewhere and
without the expense of fighting us for them.
There are Moon sized nickel-iron asteroids floating around in space that contain
more metal then humans have mined and refined on Earth in our entire history,
so why slaughter humans (and deal with the hassle of Earth’s gravity well) to
steal our scraps?
The only aliens-invade-to-steal-our-stuff story that’s ever made sense to me is
Turtledove’s “Worldwar” series, where aliens at approximately our modern day
tech level invade Earth during WWII and have no choice but to fight us, as they’ve
been sent on a one-way colonization mission and can’t return home.
And....what about the Aliens living on a luscious Eden in the
constellation of Erewhon, whose men have all died from some mysterious
illness, and whose gorgeous, supple, young, lithe Nymphets need men
from Earth to repopulate their planet. The work would be exhausting
and unending (for Erewhon is very large) and the use of the whip may
be necessary in some cases, but someone has to do it.
SolomonW
2018-04-10 04:44:39 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by g***@gmail.com
If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed
in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans.
Stephen Hawking: 1942 - 2018
I’m reminded of a scene in the Tom Cruise sci-fi movie “Oblivion” (which is a
pretty cool flick) where we see giant machines sucking up the Earth’s oceans
and I thought; “why go thru all that trouble, when you could just capture an ice
asteroid and get all the water you need?”
Because a species capable of interstellar travel would have no need to conquer
Earth for our resources, as those could all be gotten far easier elsewhere and
without the expense of fighting us for them.
There are Moon sized nickel-iron asteroids floating around in space that contain
more metal then humans have mined and refined on Earth in our entire history,
so why slaughter humans (and deal with the hassle of Earth’s gravity well) to
steal our scraps?
The only aliens-invade-to-steal-our-stuff story that’s ever made sense to me is
Turtledove’s “Worldwar” series, where aliens at approximately our modern day
tech level invade Earth during WWII and have no choice but to fight us, as they’ve
been sent on a one-way colonization mission and can’t return home.
How many wars today are economical worth it?
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-10 16:10:00 UTC
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SolomonW
Ed Stasiak
Because a species capable of interstellar travel would have no need to conquer
Earth for our resources, as those could all be gotten far easier elsewhere and
without the expense of fighting us for them.
How many wars today are economical worth it?
Sure, but we’re stuck on this one planet while aliens capable of interstellar travel
would have the whole galaxy / universe available to them.
SolomonW
2018-04-11 03:13:42 UTC
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SolomonW
Ed Stasiak
Because a species capable of interstellar travel would have no need to conquer
Earth for our resources, as those could all be gotten far easier elsewhere and
without the expense of fighting us for them.
How many wars today are economical worth it?
Sure, but we’re stuck on this one planet while aliens capable of interstellar travel
would have the whole galaxy / universe available to them.
I could imagine a Japanese person saying that before Commodore Matthew
Perry of the United States Navy, commanding a squadron of two steamers and
two sailing vessels, sailed into Tôkyô harbor.


"And he said unto them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to
every creature." Mark 16:15
g***@gmail.com
2018-04-11 07:07:56 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
The following article asks:

- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?

https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
SolomonW
2018-04-11 11:58:16 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.



Madeleine Albright Says Obama Should Have Enforced the Red Line in Syria:

http://www.newsweek.com/madeleine-albright-says-obama-should-have-enforced-red-line-syria-878729
g***@gmail.com
2018-04-11 17:52:41 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
http://www.newsweek.com/madeleine-albright-says-obama-should-have-enforced-red-line-syria-878729
Guess how Comey described Trump:

https://www.axios.com/preview-of-exclusive-abc-interview-with-james-comey-1523413777-c6002b59-9545-4329-9734-92ffcc70cfef.html

- The great nations have always acted like gangsters, and the small nations like prostitutes.

Stanley Kubrick
D***@teikyopost.edu
2018-04-11 21:01:57 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============

As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.

Trumpster may turn out to be our Boris Yeltsin. The two buffoons
have striking similarities. I would not dismiss the possibility
out of hand.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.history.medieval/yeltsin$20drunkard$20opportunist$20oligarchs/soc.history.medieval/b4_SWhfQwD8/yQJq0YteshcJ
SolomonW
2018-04-12 00:24:23 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
Trumpster may turn out to be our Boris Yeltsin. The two buffoons
have striking similarities. I would not dismiss the possibility
out of hand.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.history.medieval/yeltsin$20drunkard$20opportunist$20oligarchs/soc.history.medieval/b4_SWhfQwD8/yQJq0YteshcJ
This will not surprise you either but I did like Boris Yeltsin too. Did you
read his book?
D***@teikyopost.edu
2018-04-12 01:52:51 UTC
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Post by SolomonW
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
Trumpster may turn out to be our Boris Yeltsin. The two buffoons
have striking similarities. I would not dismiss the possibility
out of hand.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.history.medieval/yeltsin$20drunkard$20opportunist$20oligarchs/soc.history.medieval/b4_SWhfQwD8/yQJq0YteshcJ
This will not surprise you either but I did like Boris Yeltsin too.
Did you read his book?
I have not read Yeltsin's book. Someday I may get around to it. His
concocted Confederation of Independent States has not worked out
very well, has it?
SolomonW
2018-04-13 01:38:30 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
Trumpster may turn out to be our Boris Yeltsin. The two buffoons
have striking similarities. I would not dismiss the possibility
out of hand.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.history.medieval/yeltsin$20drunkard$20opportunist$20oligarchs/soc.history.medieval/b4_SWhfQwD8/yQJq0YteshcJ
This will not surprise you either but I did like Boris Yeltsin too.
Did you read his book?
I have not read Yeltsin's book. Someday I may get around to it.
You will not be sorry.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
His
concocted Confederation of Independent States has not worked out
very well, has it?
Was the USSR working out well? Maybe you will accept that the
Confederation of Independent States did not create a bad situation but
inherited it? I would much rather live in the Confederation of Independent
States then the USSR.
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2018-04-13 01:54:00 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
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As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
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Trumpster may turn out to be our Boris Yeltsin. The two buffoons
have striking similarities. I would not dismiss the possibility
out of hand.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.history.medieval/yeltsin$20drunkard$20opportunist$20oligarchs/soc.history.medieval/b4_SWhfQwD8/yQJq0YteshcJ
This will not surprise you either but I did like Boris Yeltsin too.
Did you read his book?
I have not read Yeltsin's book. Someday I may get around to it.
You will not be sorry.
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His
concocted Confederation of Independent States has not worked out
very well, has it?
Was the USSR working out well? Maybe you will accept that the
Confederation of Independent States did not create a bad situation but
inherited it? I would much rather live in the Confederation of Independent
States then the USSR.
We have no way of knowing how Gorbachev's new Union Treaty would have
worked out, nor if his proposed integration with the rest of Europe
would have succeeded. What we do know are the ongoing grim results of
Yeltsin's coup.
SolomonW
2018-04-16 23:53:48 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
Trumpster may turn out to be our Boris Yeltsin. The two buffoons
have striking similarities. I would not dismiss the possibility
out of hand.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.history.medieval/yeltsin$20drunkard$20opportunist$20oligarchs/soc.history.medieval/b4_SWhfQwD8/yQJq0YteshcJ
This will not surprise you either but I did like Boris Yeltsin too.
Did you read his book?
I have not read Yeltsin's book. Someday I may get around to it.
You will not be sorry.
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His
concocted Confederation of Independent States has not worked out
very well, has it?
Was the USSR working out well? Maybe you will accept that the
Confederation of Independent States did not create a bad situation but
inherited it? I would much rather live in the Confederation of Independent
States then the USSR.
We have no way of knowing how Gorbachev's new Union Treaty would have
worked out, nor if his proposed integration with the rest of Europe
would have succeeded. What we do know are the ongoing grim results of
Yeltsin's coup.
We also know the grim results of the USSR.
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2018-04-13 13:40:36 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
I really enjoyed watching "The Reagan Show." I recommend it highly.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/09/01/cnn-films-the-reagan-show.cnn

https://www.amazon.com/Reagan-Show-Ronald/dp/B071NVLTQD

http://deadline.com/2017/04/the-reagan-show-release-date-cnn-gravitas-ventures-tribeca-1202070839/

http://www.wsj.com/video/exclusive-documentary-clip-the-reagan-show/DF3323C9-BD45-487F-97AF-82B87A6581C1.html
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2018-04-16 23:55:50 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
I really enjoyed watching "The Reagan Show." I recommend it highly.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/09/01/cnn-films-the-reagan-show.cnn
https://www.amazon.com/Reagan-Show-Ronald/dp/B071NVLTQD
http://deadline.com/2017/04/the-reagan-show-release-date-cnn-gravitas-ventures-tribeca-1202070839/
http://www.wsj.com/video/exclusive-documentary-clip-the-reagan-show/DF3323C9-BD45-487F-97AF-82B87A6581C1.html
You know I have never seen a decent study of Reagan yet, any suggestions?
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2018-04-17 20:07:41 UTC
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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Why do you dislike Trump? I think he is better than his predecessor.
I am taking the liberty of re-re-posting the following.
==============
As I have posted in some old threads, We have been witnessing the
logical, calamitous conclusion of the Reagan era. The ultimate
effect of snake oil has been truly devastating. It is quite
possible that Trumpster may surpass Reagan as the most successful
snake-oil pitchman.
This will not surprise you but I did like Reagan.
I really enjoyed watching "The Reagan Show." I recommend it highly.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/09/01/cnn-films-the-reagan-show.cnn
https://www.amazon.com/Reagan-Show-Ronald/dp/B071NVLTQD
http://deadline.com/2017/04/the-reagan-show-release-date-cnn-gravitas-ventures-tribeca-1202070839/
http://www.wsj.com/video/exclusive-documentary-clip-the-reagan-show/DF3323C9-BD45-487F-97AF-82B87A6581C1.html
You know I have never seen a decent study of Reagan yet, any suggestions?
I have not read any studies of Reagan. I was completely turned off
during his presidency, and even more so afterward. Shortly after he
left office, there was a two-hour documentary on PBS. Some of his
aides commented about how everything was staged--including how they
decided to dress Reagan up in army fatigues when he visited the DMZ
in Korea and when they had him queue behind other soldiers as he
carried his tray in a cafeteria food line.

Part of the documentary featured Joan Quigley, Nancy Reagan's
astrologer. According to the documentary, the following are some of
the decisions that were made by Nancy after consulting Quigley:

(1) To invite Soviet Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin for dinner at the
White Housee. Nancy found him to be a very charming dinner guest.

(2) To Invite Andrei Gromyko to visit the White House in Sept. 1984,
when Gromyko was in New York attending the opening of the UN session.
This was a shrewd political ploy, just prior to the presidential
election, designed to show that there was a thaw.



(3) To accept Mikhail Gorbachev's offer to meet in Geneva to discuss
nuclear arms reductions.

(4) To invite Gorbachev to visit the U.S.

(5) To accept Gorbachev's offer to visit the Soviet Union.

This is just a very brief summary. The books written by political
insiders (e.g. Donald Regan, Reagan's Treasury Secretary and then chief
of staff https://www.amazon.com/dp/0312915187/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk )
contain much greater details about Quigley. It is important to note
that the Reagan worshippers have never given Quigley credit for playing
such a key role.

On 29 January 1981, Secretary of State Alexander Haig's operatives
decided to implement a "tough" new policy toward the Soviet Union.
This started with a dramatic diplomatic snub against Dobrynin.
Dobrynin had been accorded the privilege of using a VIP garage
entrance when he visited the State Department. When Dobrynin
visited the State Department for the first time following Reagan's
inauguration, his limousine was stopped at the VIP entrance, and
the chauffer was directed to use the visitors' entrance.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19840513&id=VW4fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0GgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6592,3051261&hl=en

This dramatic snub was featured on the CBS Evening News.

Nancy sacked Haig in 1982 and replaced him with George Shultz. I saw
an interview in which Shultz stated that he suggested extending the
dinner invitation to Dobrynin. However, Shultz did not mention that
Nancy agreed only after consulting Quigley.

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SolomonW
https://phys.org/news/2010-08-outsiders-blamed-easter-island-historic.html
“Rather than a story of self-inflicted deprivation, I agree with the view that
substantial blame has to rest with Western contact, ever since Easter Island’s
first sighting by Jacob Roggeveen in 1722...
- ...What extraterrestrial intelligence in its right mind would want to contact a species that seemingly worships Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Kardashian?
https://www.thenation.com/article/what-can-star-trek-teach-us-about-american-exceptionalism/
Americans never seem to tire of reading about her:

https://news.google.com/news/search/section/q/kim%20kardashian/kim%20kardashian?hl=en&gl=US&ned=us
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